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On the surface, an Elysium of unsurpassed splendor. Beneath, something sinister lurks...


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Elijah Robert Marks
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Oldan, I started out hating the Kindred, but after a while I just started to feel sorry for the -- us. But I felt what I was doing was necessary for the survival of the human race. Humans are used as cattle, aren't they? Isn't that even where the ever so attractive and respectful word "Kine" comes from? That means "cow" to anyone who isn't familiar with the middle english definition.
A lot of the hunters out there really believe that kindred are evil and need to be exterminated. Some of the rest of us came to believe that while not all may have been "evil," exactly, it was necessary for us to fight back or our race would be comething more than livestock for the undead... and we believed we were worth more than that.

I still believe that.

I'm... sorry about your people. I don't know anything about them... but it can't be an easy thing.

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I didn't hate the kindred; I just hunted them. Then they found me, and then I became them.

Neuromortis
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*A very petite childe stops at the doorway to the Great Hall*
A lilting perfect voice asks' "Sister, may I enter?"

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"Bem-vindo, criança. Welcome, child."

The voice insinuates itself within the inner senses, granting a momentary euphoric--then dissipates.

The Hall awaits.

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The tumult within, with factions in many courts still riled, has reached an apex; for every detractor, several beckon to relinquish pride and prejudices in favor of the offerings available. The tide of the roar carefully turns back out to sea--but harsh words have been uttered, and the apt might understand that a few of the denizens may very well carry a grudge beyond the sanctioned walls...and some eye the outspoken woman as though the sixth tradition were suddenly moot...

Darkana1
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Beasts we are lest beasts we become, it is true many humans are as lacking in humanity than a member of the Sabbat, and it is also true the beast is powerful, but it is a reflection of our own darkness the darkness within all, so as the Malkavians say 'break the mirror' dont give in to the Beast and fight it every step, and then you will win. to Oldan, I do not know if Ravnos truly died but it would take amazing power and skill to survive the onslaught I saw, however your grand sire is/was the master of illusion and deception, but It is certainly true that all who heeded Ravnos's call to his awakening have died one way or another and I have seen signs of others killing themselves, ask yourself do you remember anything strange a few months ago like a scream in your head or a nightmare or anything.

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Bastard got rid of a promising clan perhaps if they had taken a side in the Camarilla sabbat thing or had a MAJOR role in the WOD they would have survived I think it is a tragedy to kill them like that, though at least you can still be Ravnos as they arn't totally dead just all but gone.

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Its people like you that give kindred a bad name,
its people like me that makes it worse

OldanVisuce
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Bah! Say what you will, I do not believe that Papa could have died. But, when you mention the dreams...I heard him calling me to the party. I felt it through to my bones. But I...I could not go. *looks ashamed* My sire said that I was not... fit, to meet Papa. What knows that stiff! 150 years and still trying to treat ME like childe!

*sighs*The night of the party, I passed out, and didnt awake, for what appears now to be a week. I thought one day, but no. Whole week. Then ghoul leave, I wander around a while and here I am. Stuck with Hairy *looks at Larson*, Moe *Looks at Giovanni*, and Curly *Looks at Szandor*.

And nothing can make me believe mortals are "Humane". Everyone remember that little thing a few years back with that "Hitler" guy? Killed gypsies for fun! Bah! Yet another fine representation of "Humanity". Then these *spits the word out of his mouth as if it tasted like sewage* MAGES. They kill my people, and why? Because we do this? *Makes an illusion of a miniature pink elephant flying around his head* So we feed upon the humans. Do not the humans feed upon others? What we take, when done properly, won't kill the mortal. What they take kills all!

At one time, I did not think this way, but seeing the second Holocaust of my people, it it too much for me to remain optimistic about "Humanity".

*shakes his head* I only wish I could return to the innocence of being a Childe again.

Elijah Robert Marks
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Not all humans participated in the Holocost, Oldan. Many even fought it. Just as not all Kindred take care to keep their meals alive when they finish... it's not as simple as that.

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I didn't hate the kindred; I just hunted them. Then they found me, and then I became them.

OldanVisuce
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I just was trying to help, Elijah. If it didnt help, I'm sorry. It is a puzzle that each of us must solve ourselves. To be a monster, or to slowly be a monster. But, I dont see it the same as others.

And I dont know if it matters, my friend, but many heard the rumors of the original Holocaust, but no one did anything. The most obvious portion of the tragedy, the Jewish slaughter, was largely ignored by the world, at first. Anti-Semitism was a normal, everyday thing. No one believed that it truly happened untill Allied troops made it to the camps. Maybe "Humanity" learned from it. Maybe. And maybe "Humanity" has finally evolved and our time is gone, and who knows what clan is next.

A fine pair we are. Both without clan. Both with problems with "Humanity". *chuckles heartily* I name us Clan Doomsayers. *chuckles again*

Larson
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*Laughs un controlably*

"When you tread in Milwaukee, you need me"

*Finally stops laughing after a few min*

If you wern't so funny I'd kill you. Anyway...

*To Oldan*

The Mages killed Ravnos because the rising of the Antedeluvians is one of the final signs of Gehenna, the Appocolypse. All the Antedeluvians will eventually rise and we will be lucky to survive. They did us all a favor. Besides the mages couldn't have wiped out your entire clan, now the founder of the clan, who knows what the Antedeluvians can do. My money says "papa" did this to your clan.

*Leans back with his hands behind his head and drops his boots back onto the table reagining his calm after his lauging fit.*

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Larson
Clan Gangrel

Elijah Robert Marks
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"Clan Doomsayers."

Elijah chuckles at that.

"I like it. Don't tell the Prince of my city, though; he'll probably decide I'm starting an insurrection, or something. I think there are others of your clan out there, Oldan. If they are as far-travelled as you seem to be, there's no way all of them could have been in that place. Though if they can perform the kinds of illusions you can -- like that marvellous one you did of the sunrise, I owe you a debt of gratitude for that -- I suspect they'll be rather hard to find."

"And don't misunderstand me -- you have helped me, a great deal. You and Sandor especially -- and Altiriel, and even Larson I suppose. I have a great deal to think about."

He settles back in his chair, watching the embers of cigars dissolve into ash...

OOC: btw Oldan, the way you integrated the apparent destruction of your clan into your story, even though you basically just found out about it, was quite brilliant. Kudos to that.

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I didn't hate the kindred; I just hunted them. Then they found me, and then I became them.

OldanVisuce
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Larson, I think you know of both of our clan's ability to resist physical harm. This is why I dont believe Papa to be dead. How could sunlight or anything for that matter, harm Papa if he was a master of this? Not to mention most Kindred after as many years as he has experienced, have learned to become one with the earth, such as your clan.

/OOC/ I have a hard time believing an Antediluvian, who's clan have a specialty in Fortitude, can be killed by these Mirror satellites. C'mon WW come up with something better. I could handle it if Ravnos ran into Gangrel and they had a grudge match, but "mirrors to reflect sunlight" Puh-lease.

/ooc/ Thank you, Elijah. I had to dig deep for that stuff.

Nikodemus
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Niko takes another pull from his flask, leans back in his chair, and purses his lips. He opens his mouth as if to speak, then closes it. Then he starts again.

"Well, Slayer, I have to say I disagree with all of them.

"You're acting like you're still human. You aren't...get over it and start acting like a vampire, Slayer."

Niko takes a quick glance at Larson.

"Now I'm not advocating the sort of a complete plunge into the behavior of the beast that the Sabbat goes in for. I'm saying you have to look in the mirror and say to yourself 'Dammit, I'm a vampire.' Then you need to be able to do that and mean it. Until you are able to do that, you're going to drive yourself crazy trying to rationalize exist within the standards of Judeo/Christian ethics.

"If there truly is an omnipresent, omniscient God, one of love, ask yourself one question. Why did he create vampires.

"Then ask yourself this. Does it make sense to act like a Bengal Tiger because you don't like what you are? Hell no it doesn't. With that in mind, how much sense does it make to act like a human because you don't like being a vampire?"

Voracia
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Voracia' attention is drawn from the uneasy coterie; brushing a stray swatch of hair from her face she averts her gaze across the expanse...

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*A very petite childe stops at the doorway to the Great Hall*
A lilting perfect voice asks' "Sister, may I enter?"

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As Sassnik breaches the doorway, her eyes are drawn immediately to a woman halfway across the Hall, who holds her gaze fixed even through the blue shade of glasses--which the woman removes upon the thought.


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"Bem-vindo, criança. Welcome, child."
The voice insinuates itself within the inner senses, granting a momentary euphoric--then dissipates.

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A moment. Voracia replaces her shades and returns to the present scene, rubbing her left wrist gently.

"It is a horrible thing, to lose one's father to chance. Worse still, to receive the news from those who merely chase shadows of lore and misbegotten fancy in hopes of achieving for themselves the acclaim of heraldship..."

She turns, heading for the bar.

"Would I search...or believe?"

Vash
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*Smiles at Voracia*

They have quite a selection, don't they?

Just don't choose something you'll have to spit up later. I've glanced around a bit and can't find the bathroom.

*Vash slips on his sunglasses and sits back in his chair*

And spewing up alcohol in an alley lacks a certain... err... that french "magic" thing.

*Vash frowns and furrows his brow*

I'm not good with useful foreign languages...

Which is quite odd since I was born in Gaul.

Ahh, time is a fickel mistress... I'm sure it will come back to me.

OldanVisuce
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Ahh, Niko, I never stated not to be vampire! I stated to become better than human. I was stating that dear friend Elijah needs to find any way possible past the wall of change. I was thinking maybe mine would work for Elijah, but I was wrong.Each must find own way. For you; direct acceptance, for Larson; eat everything that moves, for me; I make myself understand that I am better than mortals now. Each must find own way, and stick to it, otherwise Beast rule all!

Tetzghul
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Ah, Oldan, it is amusing to see that someone who seems,to my delight, to have lost much of his connection to the ways mortals are thinking still arguing out of a "humane" moral position.

To my understanding, the fascinating thing about that species is their ability to reconcile "evil" and "good" in their otherwise inferior little minds. A subject for study yes, but nothing our kind should have agonizing moral dilemmas about.

The Beast can not engulf you when you ignore such petty standards, set forth by creatures unable to control their own actions...

Oh, excuse me, I am speaking to much again. I am not used to the company of others and social interaction is not something I have the opportunity to practice very often.

Elijah Robert Marks
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"If there truly is an omnipresent, omniscient God, one of love, ask yourself one question. Why did he create vampires?"
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Elijah smiles.

"Oh, I can answer that one easily enough. If we are to believe the stories, God didn't create vampires. He created one vampire, Cain, and that, if I recall correctly, was for his protection:"

Elijah closes his eyes and recites from memory:

"I believe the story goes like this:

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Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restelss wanderer on th earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

But the Lord said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the Lord's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

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"As for the rest of us, well, we weren't created by God. We were created by other vampires."

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I didn't hate the kindred; I just hunted them. Then they found me, and then I became them.

Nikodemus
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"Really? You were there? Truly amazing. You are a much older person than the rest of us.
"Think about it this way then. If God created a single vampire...and he didn't intend for it to be possible for the creation of new vampires, do you think, then, that he would have made the option possible?"

Elijah Robert Marks
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"I did say 'if the stories are to be believed,' you know. Since neither of us were there, your question is equally as valid or invalid as my response.

"I am not a theologian, Nikodemus. I might have been once upon a time, but that career was... interrupted, rather rudely. But I suppose you can make any number of arguments, most of which involve free will..."

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I didn't hate the kindred; I just hunted them. Then they found me, and then I became them.

Nikodemus
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"Well, Slayer, for the sake of argument then, let's make a couple of suppositions.

"1. There is a kind, benevolent God.

"2. God created Vampires. Whether the first one was Caine or Ugga-Bugga the rabid caveman...doesn't matter

"With those in mind, wouldn't it necessarily follow that vampires are part of 'God's Plan?' If that is the case, are you acting in accordance of God's will by trying to play human?"

Elijah Robert Marks
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"Ok, given those two suppositions:

"You still assume that Vampires are not human. How is this possible? Only humans, as far as I know, can become Vampires. Are there vampire animals in the world that I'm not aware of? It doesn't seem to that the problem is that I play 'human' so much as it does that other Vampires play 'monster.' Vampires are dead humans who still exist for some reason or another. We're not demons, as fas as I can tell. When someone says we are the Children of Caine, that's just an expression. I'm still the son of Mr. and Mrs. Robert Marks, albeit the undead son. I still have relatives alive to day, and for all I know you, Nikodemus, have descendants. Human ones.

"Which begs the question: how are the Kindred 'supposed' to act? You told me earlier I needed to stop acting like a human and start acting like a Vampire. What exactly does that mean? Plot to enslave the world in darkness? Mindlessly do the bidding of the elders? Wear a cape and adopt a Slavic accent? Fight other Vampires simply to prove that I'm better than they are? Just hang out for all eternity?

"What do you mean when you say I should stop trying to 'play human?' Am I suppose to throw compassion away because it's a 'human' concept? Concern for my fellows? Should I abandon my notions of right and wrong? I certainly don't pretend that I don't need blood to survive -- not any more. And I certainly don't pretend that I can go out in the sunlight either. And I don't pretend that the comerades I fought beside for ten years will accept me with open arms..."

There is a hint of sadness in his voice.

"But I also don't pretend that, just because I died, was made undead and thrown into a world I'd fought against for a good portion of my life, that I suddenly enjoy the philosophies of Niccolo Machiavelli. I didn't then, and I don't now.

"I'm still who I am, that's all. If God's plan was to create Vampires, and God's plan was to make me a Vampire, then I'm a Vampire... but I'm still Elijah Robert Marks, and the beliefs and passions that drove me in life still affect me in undeath... just a bit differently.

"But let's look at this a different way... even if God did plan to create Vampires, does it follow that we were supposed to wind up like this? I mean, a popular opinion among mortals is that God planned to create man and woman... but didn't intend that man and woman in turn create the various atrocities that were committed through history."

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I didn't hate the kindred; I just hunted them. Then they found me, and then I became them.

Florindo
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Florindo watches the exchange between Voracia and Sassnik with a mirthful grin... its gaze, in fact, seems to have been on Voracia for quite some time. Seemingly idle fingertips thrum on the back of the chair as the nimble youth crouches upon the seat, looking like a flea ready to jump.

The pale-faced youth with hair an artificially bright red hair seems to be mouthing silent words as fingers tap...

[OOC]: Those with heightened senses on, especially Gangrel and our resident Garou will be the only ones able to hear the tone of Florindo's voice, as it is far above the normal hearing range for human ears.[/OOC]

"I have a yong suster
Fer biyonde the see;
Many ben the drueries
That she sente me.

She sente me the chery
Wythouten ony ston,
And so she dide the dowve
Wythouten ony bone.

She sente me the brere
Wythouten ony rynde,
She bad me love my lemman
Wythouten longynge.

How sholde ony chery
Ben wythouten ston?
And how sholde ony dowve
Ben wyhtouten bon?

How shold any brere
Ben wythouten rynde?
How sholde I love my lemman
Wythouten longynge?

Whan the chery was a flour
Than hadde it non stone;
Whan the dowve was an ey,
Than hadde it non bon.

When the brere was unbred,
Than hadde it non rynde;
When the mayden hath that she loveth,
She is wythouten longynge."

Florindo continues to sing this nearly inperceptable tune as slender fingers drum the beat out with a voice so perfectly pure of tone and clear of diction that those who can hear it cannot help but divert their attention to it... at least for a moment. All the while, Florindo maintains a mirthful gaze on Voracia...

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